So Al Hershey was a wonderful man but a most difficult man to get to know in any way. He was very quiet. He did not waste any words. And so there was unlike most social interactions there was hardly any small talk ever. And if you wanted to kind of smooth the way and get conversations going, you really had to do all the work yourself because he didn't operate that way. On the other hand when he did talk and when he did give help it was always so very wonderful because it was always very much to the point. It was confusing to me at first on how to deal with this person who was kind of odd in a way. And my solution to the problem was to try to make believe he was normal and forget all this oddity. And you know, I think he appreciated it because I'm sure he must have put off a lot of people. But I really admired him immensely and I think he liked me as well.